Anyone have experience with them? Even better, anyone have any running 24/7 for a long time (ie. years)? How long are these things expected to last in comparison to say, server grade hardware? This is all assuming
the same kind of maintenance and care is taken (dust removal, making
sure it's well ventilated and in a cool place, thermal paste
replacement, if needed, etc).
Do these things run hot as all get out, since they're confined to such a small space with like 1 or 2 fans in it?
Are these things worth it? Are they made with quality parts (in particular, GMKtec, Beelink, and maybe any other suggestions in that category)? I suppose for $250 it doesn't really matter as long as you
can get the same longevity out of them, and you're getting way better specs than you would for that price on just about anything else.
I've got it running as a seed box...
likely hdd space would run out before the rest, but I'll have to learn
not to give 500g to a VM that only needs 200g, lol). And while there's
Anyway, any and all suggestions and information appreciated!
Anyone have experience with them? Even better, anyone have any running 24/7 for a long time (ie. years)? How long are these things expected to last in comparison to say, server grade hardware? This is all assuming the same kind of maintenance and care is taken (dust removal, making sure it's well ventilated and in a cool place, thermal paste replacement, if needed, etc).
Do these things run hot as all get out, since they're confined to such a small space with like 1 or 2 fans in it?
Are these things worth it? Are they made with quality parts (in particular, GMKtec, Beelink, and maybe any other suggestions in that category)? I suppose for $250 it doesn't really matter as long as you can get the same longevity out of them, and you're getting way better specs than you would for that price on just about anything else.
I own a couple of old Qotom mini-pcs that I've used as BSD firewalls
and they've been rock solid for me running 24/7 for years on end.
Qotom has been around for ages and their devices a bit more geared
towards running as network appliances. These particular devices are
more or less passively cooled, with cases that are essentially giant heatsinks. They run silent and they don't get very hot at all from
what I've seen.
I also bought a little Minisforum mini-pc year last which I'm using
as a dedicated proxmox host, running a few VMs and some LXC
containers. Minisforum is a bit more like Beelink in that they skew
more consumer and while these two brands (amongst others) have
pretty good reputations for being higher quality and better
supported, I've been under the impression that its not unusual to
have even devices from these more reputable brands conk out after 2
or 3 years. This model has fans in it but they don't run close to
silent and they do a fine job of keeping everything cool. More
importantly, performance has been killer for the price.
As for their build quality, it's hard to say - they typically use a
lot of well known chipsets and chips (or knockoffs) which makes them
really compatible, but the implementations are custom and perhaps a
little sus with that in mind. I'd guess the cooling is a major
contributor to that in a lot of cases, especially versus anything
resembling a proper server. With my Minisforum, I took the cheap
price and cheap operating cost in trade with knowing that I might
need to replace it in a few years, and making sure I had damn good
backups in-place as a contingency for the likelihood of that
happening. Personally, with that in mind, I think they're worth it
versus investing in something a lot more expensive. Maybe I'm overly
paranoid due to the tens of threads I read when researching that
purchase, but at least I don't be surprised if this one dies
randomly in a few years. *shrug*
If you really want something you know should last a decade or more,
I would probably steer clear of these cheap Chinese mini-pcs, but
only if you can justify the cost of the alternative.
I've had mini-PC's like Beelink and they're "okay" as long as you
don't have great expectations. If you are monitoring IP cameras or
queueing up large amounts of Handbrake encodes before bedtime....
perfect.
But you said you don't want to be burdened with motherboard / PSU
problem etc and eventually these will have them. The cheap wallwarts
and eventual failure of components over long periods of uptime can
happen.
No computer is perfect but you should consider an alternative; and
pick up a secondhand/offlease server such as a cheap Dell R620 which
is more than enough for experimentation... can run VM's nicely and
its redundant set of components, Idrac, Raid etc is beyond what any
mini-PC can accomplish. Parts are cheap, runs relatively quiet, not
even a blip on my hydroelectric bill.
Its whats ran my board for years now.
MiniPCs are using Laptop CPUs. So they are not made for max and
permanent performance. When you put to much load on those CPUs they
will lower the clock speed GHz to avoid overheating.
I bought my first MiniPC in October 2023 and still use it as my main
PC: "TRIGKEY Mini PC AMD Ryzen 5 5560U (Zen 3), up to 4.0GHz), 16GB
DDR4 1TB M.2 NVME SSD".
I do all daily stuff, Internet, Youtube (take care of the video
codecs your GPU supports in hardware, or you have to force youtube
via browser addon to output x264 always). It is a decent machine
that can run hot if you put to much work load on it. Like AI LLMs or
Video editing. But i also did some video editing and whisper ai for transcribing with it.
I bught my second MiniPC to upgrade my BBS (was on a raspberry pi
before) and as a video server (all the servarr and jellyfin stuff)
for the living room (in combination with a 4k firetv stick for the
jellyfin player on the TV.
This one has alot of work to do too, but not that CPU heavy stuff.
BBS and Video Playback and stuff does not make it sweat alot. But it
runs 24/7 and the N100 CPUs are very energy efficient.
The switch from my Desktop MidiTower PC (it ran 24/7) to the MiniPC
in 2023 saves me round about 20EUR a Month on the electricity bill.
(German electricity prices).
The BBS-, Video-Server- and Home-Server-MiniPC replaced 3 Raspberry
PIs.
Maybe watch some repair videos upfront, to see if it is easily done
in the model your are looking to buy.
If you want your Computer to do heavy workload stuff like modern
gaming, video editing and local LLM stuff, your are maybe better off
with a system with a desktop CPU, seperate GPU and decent cooling or
For everyday work, internet, youtube, BBS and homeserver stuff like
video server etc., with the right GPU (check it can do all current
video codecs in hardware) and energy efficient CPU, MiniPCs are
almost perfect. Low price, low energy consumption. When you do
homeserver stuff, add proxmox to all that as your OS and run your
software in seperate Containers and VMs and you will be very
happy! ;)
i hope giving you my perspective helps you in your decision what to
buy.
I was looking at some GMKtec N100/N150 options for the same reason. Efficiency! ;)
TRIGKEY Mini PC 12th Gen Intel Alder Lake-N100 Prozessor (up to
3,40GHz) Green G4 Mini Computer 11 Pro, 16G DDR4 3200Mhz 500G M.2
2280 SSD
This model did cost 194,-EUR (May 2025) but i got -70,-EUR discount
at Amazon when they had one of their sales. So it can be worth it to
wait for sales as they give huge discounts on miniPCs. At least back
then in may 2025. If you can wait, next Amazon sale should be Big
Spring Sale March 25-29
Seems like this brand is unavailable from Amazon at this time, for me at least. There are links from Amazon to go directly to their site, though.. but then I'm sure customs and duty taxes are going to be in play.
I don't know. Maybe they don't sell to the US via Amazon. Just look
for similar models from other brands then. I was lucky to get both
my trigkey miniPCs with good Discounts on Amazon. and 194EUR -70EUR
was already including VAT and shipping.
I'm still up in the air at this point. I have never had an issue with my server grade stuff, so I still lean a bit that way as far as trust goes. But, for the price point of a mini-pc, you could just keep replacing them for the same price over 10-15 years, take up a lot less room, and are way more efficient.
I'm still reading, discussing, and throwing around ideas. I'm in no rush at this time, so it's nice to get advice and discuss, do research, etc. before making any decisions. Unlike when your refrigerator goes out and you have to choose something quick or all of your food will spoil. ;)
Take the time if you are not in a hurry and make sure you get the
right MiniPC. No need to rush it.
week points can be those very small wifi antenna connectors that you
easily can bend when you unplug them and try to plug em in again.
the connector for an internal SSD are very thin and can be easily
damaged. Some manufacturers of MiniPCs pack a second replacement
connector with your miniPC, cause they know that it is easily
damaged.
For my daily driver MiniPC i have and like that external docking
station wich can take 2 bare HDDs or smaller SSDs, has SD Card Port
and extra usb ports. Very handy if you retired your desktop PC but
still have those 3,5" HDDs. Still good for Backups and Storage.
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