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Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Please don't use excessively long lines (format=flowed). Configure your
NNTP client to a maximum line length of 72.

There is a setting in Opera Mail's Account Properties, in the
"Outgoing" tab, to "Automatically wrap outgoing messages". It's
enabled by default, but it was disabled because I thought it would
break up the really long URLs into two separate lines. It also causes messages in "Edit" mode to be wrapped instead of using the entire
window width, which I do not want. Linelength = -1 when the setting
is disabled and Linelength = 76 when the setting is enabled.

Adding newlines into URLs will break them. Instead of long string for
the URL, it gets truncated. Some clients can try to append multi-line
URLs back together, but don't count on it. Seems some clients will keep
the multi-line URL together if you enclose it in angle brackets.

Max recommended line length is 998 characters. Keep the URLs to their
own [long] line. If you are concerned that some readers don't have NNTP clients that can handle URLs longer than the window width (the only ones
I can think of are those that are command-line clients, not GUI
clients), include the long unbroken URL, and a short URL for it. There
are several URL shortening services. I use https://tinyurl.com/. You
end up with 2 lines for the same target:

Long URL: <longURL>
Short URL: <shortenedURL>

For whatever line length you specify in Opera Mail, you can't configure
its preview pane to be wider than that? That is, with 72-char line
lengths, chars for the newsgroup names, and borders, you can't get the
Opera Mail window wide enough to show 72 chars in the preview pane?
Actually, it looks like your preview pane is already greater than 72
chars wide, and they lines wrap before they hit the right-side of the
preview pane.

I've never used Opera Mail. "Automatically wrap outgoing message"
sounds more about fitting lines (wrapping) within the window width than
about setting a fixed line length.

Wasn't Opera Mail discontinued?

https://forums.opera.com/topic/83523/operamail-where-to-go

That doesn't mean it stops working just because support and updates
stopped. You might want to ask in those Opera forums on how to
configure it to fix maximum line length to 72 characters, and then
address whatever wrapping, or lack thereof, in the compose or preview
panes.
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 01:59:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Please don't use excessively long lines (format=flowed). Configure
your
NNTP client to a maximum line length of 72.

There is a setting in Opera Mail's Account Properties, in the
"Outgoing" tab, to "Automatically wrap outgoing messages". It's
enabled by default, but it was disabled because I thought it would
break up the really long URLs into two separate lines. It also causes
messages in "Edit" mode to be wrapped instead of using the entire
window width, which I do not want. Linelength = -1 when the setting
is disabled and Linelength = 76 when the setting is enabled.

I've never used Opera Mail. "Automatically wrap outgoing message"
sounds more about fitting lines (wrapping) within the window width than
about setting a fixed line length.

I'll try enabling the "Automatically wrap outgoing messages" setting.
I can copy the viewed message and paste it into "Edit" mode to negate the wrapping.
If the disabled setting has caused any problems for others, I wasn't aware
of it.

Wasn't Opera Mail discontinued?

https://forums.opera.com/topic/83523/operamail-where-to-go

That doesn't mean it stops working just because support and updates
stopped. You might want to ask in those Opera forums on how to
configure it to fix maximum line length to 72 characters, and then
address whatever wrapping, or lack thereof, in the compose or preview
panes.

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On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 08:17:26 -0600, Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 01:59:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Please don't use excessively long lines (format=flowed). Configure
your
NNTP client to a maximum line length of 72.

There is a setting in Opera Mail's Account Properties, in the
"Outgoing" tab, to "Automatically wrap outgoing messages". It's
enabled by default, but it was disabled because I thought it would
break up the really long URLs into two separate lines. It also causes
messages in "Edit" mode to be wrapped instead of using the entire
window width, which I do not want. Linelength = -1 when the setting
is disabled and Linelength = 76 when the setting is enabled.

I've never used Opera Mail. "Automatically wrap outgoing message"
sounds more about fitting lines (wrapping) within the window width than
about setting a fixed line length.

I'll try enabling the "Automatically wrap outgoing messages" setting.
I can copy the viewed message and paste it into "Edit" mode to negate
the wrapping.
If the disabled setting has caused any problems for others, I wasn't
aware of it.

I noticed that a couple of others on ACF, MikeS and wasbit, apparently do
not wrap their outgoing messages.
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 08:50:00 -0600, "Allan Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 08:17:26 -0600, Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> >wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 01:59:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Please don't use excessively long lines (format=flowed). Configure >>>>> your
NNTP client to a maximum line length of 72.

There is a setting in Opera Mail's Account Properties, in the
"Outgoing" tab, to "Automatically wrap outgoing messages". It's
enabled by default, but it was disabled because I thought it would
break up the really long URLs into two separate lines. It also causes
messages in "Edit" mode to be wrapped instead of using the entire
window width, which I do not want. Linelength = -1 when the setting
is disabled and Linelength = 76 when the setting is enabled.

I've never used Opera Mail. "Automatically wrap outgoing message"
sounds more about fitting lines (wrapping) within the window width than
about setting a fixed line length.

I'll try enabling the "Automatically wrap outgoing messages" setting.
I can copy the viewed message and paste it into "Edit" mode to negate
the wrapping.
If the disabled setting has caused any problems for others, I wasn't
aware of it.

I noticed that a couple of others on ACF, MikeS and wasbit, apparently do >not wrap their outgoing messages.

My older version of Agent newsreader allows me to set line length by the
number of characters. Very simple.
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On 29/11/2025 14:50, Allan Higdon wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 08:17:26 -0600, Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 01:59:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Please don't use excessively long lines (format=flowed).  Configure >>>>> your
NNTP client to a maximum line length of 72.

There is a setting in Opera Mail's Account Properties, in the
"Outgoing" tab, to "Automatically wrap outgoing messages". It's
enabled by default, but it was disabled because I thought it would
break up the really long URLs into two separate lines. It also causes
messages in "Edit" mode to be wrapped instead of using the entire
window width, which I do not want. Linelength = -1 when the setting
is disabled and Linelength = 76 when the setting is enabled.

I've never used Opera Mail.  "Automatically wrap outgoing message"
sounds more about fitting lines (wrapping) within the window width than
about setting a fixed line length.

I'll try enabling the "Automatically wrap outgoing messages" setting.
I can copy the viewed message and paste it into "Edit" mode to negate
the wrapping.
If the disabled setting has caused any problems for others, I wasn't
aware of it.

I noticed that a couple of others on ACF, MikeS and wasbit, apparently
do not wrap their outgoing messages.

But I do mention that the URL may wrap if it's a long one. :)
--
Regards
wasbit
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On 29/11/2025 14:50, Allan Higdon wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 08:17:26 -0600, Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 01:59:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Please don't use excessively long lines (format=flowed).  Configure >>>>> your
NNTP client to a maximum line length of 72.

There is a setting in Opera Mail's Account Properties, in the
"Outgoing" tab, to "Automatically wrap outgoing messages". It's
enabled by default, but it was disabled because I thought it would
break up the really long URLs into two separate lines. It also causes
messages in "Edit" mode to be wrapped instead of using the entire
window width, which I do not want. Linelength = -1 when the setting
is disabled and Linelength = 76 when the setting is enabled.

I've never used Opera Mail.  "Automatically wrap outgoing message"
sounds more about fitting lines (wrapping) within the window width than
about setting a fixed line length.

I'll try enabling the "Automatically wrap outgoing messages" setting.
I can copy the viewed message and paste it into "Edit" mode to negate
the wrapping.
If the disabled setting has caused any problems for others, I wasn't
aware of it.

I noticed that a couple of others on ACF, MikeS and wasbit, apparently
do not wrap their outgoing messages.

That's odd.

I use Thunderbird with (as far as I recall) its default wrap settings.
Those are presently:
mail.wrap_long_lines true
mailnews.wraplength 72
plain_text.wrap_long_lines true
temp.openpgp.wrapHtmlBeforeSend true
view_source.wrap_long_lines false

FWIW TB has no problem wrapping posts to fit whatever window size I use
for viewing so I prefer posts which are *not" using fixed line width,
not least re broken URLs.
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2025 06:37:35 -0600, MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:

On 29/11/2025 14:50, Allan Higdon wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 08:17:26 -0600, Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 01:59:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Please don't use excessively long lines (format=flowed). Configure >>>>>> your
NNTP client to a maximum line length of 72.

There is a setting in Opera Mail's Account Properties, in the
"Outgoing" tab, to "Automatically wrap outgoing messages". It's
enabled by default, but it was disabled because I thought it would
break up the really long URLs into two separate lines. It also causes >>>>> messages in "Edit" mode to be wrapped instead of using the entire
window width, which I do not want. Linelength = -1 when the setting
is disabled and Linelength = 76 when the setting is enabled.

I've never used Opera Mail. "Automatically wrap outgoing message"
sounds more about fitting lines (wrapping) within the window width than >>>> about setting a fixed line length.

I'll try enabling the "Automatically wrap outgoing messages" setting.
I can copy the viewed message and paste it into "Edit" mode to negate
the wrapping.
If the disabled setting has caused any problems for others, I wasn't
aware of it.

I noticed that a couple of others on ACF, MikeS and wasbit, apparently
do not wrap their outgoing messages.

That's odd.

I use Thunderbird with (as far as I recall) its default wrap settings.
Those are presently:
mail.wrap_long_lines true
mailnews.wraplength 72
plain_text.wrap_long_lines true
temp.openpgp.wrapHtmlBeforeSend true
view_source.wrap_long_lines false

FWIW TB has no problem wrapping posts to fit whatever window size I use
for viewing so I prefer posts which are *not" using fixed line width,
not least re broken URLs.

I prefer not using a fixed line length as well, and that's, in effect, what disabling the wrapping of outgoing messages does in Opera Mail.
As I previously posted, when that setting is enabled, the line length is 76.
My text editor, EditPad Lite, is set for "Wrap at Window Border" instead of a maximum line length.
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On 30/11/2025 12:37, MikeS wrote:

On 29/11/2025 14:50, Allan Higdon wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 08:17:26 -0600, Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net>
wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 01:59:29 -0600, VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Allan Higdon <allanh@vivaldi.net> wrote:

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:

Please don't use excessively long lines (format=flowed).
Configure your
NNTP client to a maximum line length of 72.

IIRC, there used to be the technique of enclosing a URL in brackets, [https://like.this ] to stop it wrapping.

David in Co Longford
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David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net> wrote:

IIRC, there used to be the technique of enclosing a URL in brackets, [https://like.this ] to stop it wrapping.

I remember Tbird users noting angle brackets (< and >) worked for them,
but that wasn't a guarantee the parser worked the same in other NNTP
clients.
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On Thu, 4 Dec 2025 16:22:39 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:

David Catterall <djcatt@eircom.net> wrote:

IIRC, there used to be the technique of enclosing a URL in brackets,
[https://like.this ] to stop it wrapping.

I remember Tbird users noting angle brackets (< and >) worked for them,
but that wasn't a guarantee the parser worked the same in other NNTP
clients.

FYI, both [] and <> work in 40tude.
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