• Re: Horrible dealings with CSS, Inc. (PacTerm98)

    From Mike Y@joe@user.com to alt.ham-radio,alt.ham-radio.packet,rec.ham-radio on Tue Dec 11 18:22:42 2007
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    I wouldn't worry about the threat of copyright on a letter sent to you.

    There was an interesting case on a web site recently where it was determined (check with your own lawyer to be sure) that sending mail constitutes a transfer of rights and the recipient can do what they want with it.
    Copyright statements on mail is bs, and apparantly, if the legal reading is correct, email messages are the same.

    Still, your milage may vary. But just the fact they threaten copyright
    nasties over a letter gives me a VERY bad feeling, and I'd very quickly
    get pissy (myself here) to post the letter!


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  • From Curtis R. Kooiman@koomanc@comcast.net to alt.ham-radio,alt.ham-radio.packet,rec.ham-radio on Tue Dec 11 18:22:38 2007
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    Yeah it just makes me more upset when he does that. He knows he risked his reputation and now is trying to backpedal and get out of it. I'm still
    amazed at how rude and disrespectful he was. Like I said I probably offended him with my line about the price of the software and in the future I would reword that were I to write the letter again... but I think it's no excuse
    for someone to treat someone else like that. I guess it's a good thing he is the boss there because I'm sure he would be fired in a heartbeat if he
    worked for someone else.

    I notified Kantronics too since they package CSS products with their TNCs. Never heard back though.

    Lastly I agree with your second paragraph. It's what I told him when he said he wanted to have his lawyer call me. He wouldn't hear of it though. As of
    yet I am still waiting for that phone call!!

    73

    Curtis

    "Mike Y" <joe@user.com> wrote in message
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    I wouldn't worry about the threat of copyright on a letter sent to you.

    There was an interesting case on a web site recently where it was
    determined
    (check with your own lawyer to be sure) that sending mail constitutes a transfer of rights and the recipient can do what they want with it.
    Copyright statements on mail is bs, and apparantly, if the legal reading
    is
    correct, email messages are the same.

    Still, your milage may vary. But just the fact they threaten copyright nasties over a letter gives me a VERY bad feeling, and I'd very quickly
    get pissy (myself here) to post the letter!




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  • From Rick Frazier@rickf@rickfrazier.com to alt.ham-radio,alt.ham-radio.packet,rec.ham-radio on Wed Dec 12 18:04:11 2007
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    Mike Y wrote:

    I wouldn't worry about the threat of copyright on a letter sent to you.

    There was an interesting case on a web site recently where it was determined (check with your own lawyer to be sure) that sending mail constitutes a transfer of rights and the recipient can do what they want with it.
    Copyright statements on mail is bs, and apparantly, if the legal reading is correct, email messages are the same.

    Still, your milage may vary. But just the fact they threaten copyright nasties over a letter gives me a VERY bad feeling, and I'd very quickly
    get pissy (myself here) to post the letter!


    I wouldn't worry too much about litigation....
    It has been my experience that the people that will actually try to sue
    you (for whatever they may think is an issue) will typically not say a
    word about it because if they've been through the process before, they
    realize they need to protect all of their rights by keeping it all
    quiet. On the other hand, the vast majority of people that are quick to
    claim they're gonna sue, or have their lawyer call/mail/talk to you are
    the ones that have rarely, if ever even spoken to one. Lawyering is an expensive business, and unless there is something that can be clearly
    proven, most people just don't have the money to pay a lawyer to even
    make the first contacts, much less follow through the entire process.
    Those that think they can get a laywer to work on contengency are just
    plain deluded unless they have a clear case (physical AND emotional
    damage, for example) against someone with very deep pockets, or the
    lawyer won't take the case at all. This is why you hear a lot more
    about "class action" suits than other kinds, because class action suits
    are typically against a large corporation with big coffers, and lots of members of the class. Typically, the members of the class get pennies,
    or certificates against future purchase discounts or such, and the
    lawyers get huge numbers due to the "billable hours" put into the suit. Individual suits have such small settlements, it just isn't worth the
    typical attorney's time.

    Good Luck... Case law is likely on your side if you were to post the
    email. After all, there is no expectation of privacy in any email, particularly if it was sent to or from a corporate email box....
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