• does packet messaging still live?

    From SuppressedPen@nethawg1@verizon.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Thu Aug 18 23:47:45 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    I'm in the tri-state area of Michigan, Indiana and Illinois. I would like
    to use packet to make conversational contacts occasionally. I sent out
    emails to about 25 hams that were registered nodes of a packet network in
    the 80's and 90's, none bounced, one was returned saying the network broke
    up. Anyone got any ideas? *DOUG*


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  • From Jerry@n9lya@blueriver.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Fri Aug 19 19:03:07 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    Hi Doug,
    Th networks cracked, but not broken... Some of us are helping heal the crack... I would be lying if I said that were an easy task...
    Here in Mitchell IN we have 2 very active BBSs W9OTR and N9LYA..
    Neither were active in the 80's or 90's...
    We are a part of a larger national network (HF).. As well as a local Network.. (VHF/UHF)...
    Wher eyou are located there may be no activity... If I knew your call
    sign I could tell you more...

    Look at our sites...
    www.uspacket.org
    www.w9otr.org
    www.n9lya.com

    I was a member of the Michigan Packet net news group.. They are quite active... Ill is on the come back...

    See our maps...

    WVARA Terre Haute is a new node for us ..

    A new node is going up in Indianapolis the first week of September...

    You would be most welcome to work with us.. If you can do HF I can show you
    how to do packet without breaking the bank...
    I run 5 HF ports here at home along with 4 VHF and 2 UHF port.


    Yes some of the original Networks.. like the GL Net (greatlakes) is broken
    as well as the lower Indiana 9600 baud Packet backbone... But Traffic still flows and flows well.


    A lot of States still have very active packet Networks...

    Florida, WI, TX, etc....


    73 Jerry N9LYA
    Net Manager Indiana Section
    ARRL Skipnet Manager NET40E NET147E
    MSYS Sysop of W9OTR/N9LYA/K9BBS/W9BBS



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "SuppressedPen" <nethawg1@verizon.net>
    Newsgroups: alt.ham-radio.packet
    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:47 PM
    Subject: does packet messaging still live?


    I'm in the tri-state area of Michigan, Indiana and Illinois. I would like
    to use packet to make conversational contacts occasionally. I sent out emails to about 25 hams that were registered nodes of a packet network in
    the 80's and 90's, none bounced, one was returned saying the network broke up. Anyone got any ideas? *DOUG*




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  • From Pat S@S774pat@yahoo.com to alt.ham-radio.packet on Sun Aug 21 12:04:43 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    Try listening/operating on 14.105 Mhz if you are interested in 'LIVE'
    packet QSOs....




    On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:47:45 GMT, SuppressedPen <nethawg1@verizon.net>
    wrote:

    I'm in the tri-state area of Michigan, Indiana and Illinois. I would like
    to use packet to make conversational contacts occasionally. I sent out >emails to about 25 hams that were registered nodes of a packet network in
    the 80's and 90's, none bounced, one was returned saying the network broke >up. Anyone got any ideas? *DOUG*


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  • From Steve Stone@spfleck@citlink.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Mon Aug 22 02:05:21 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet


    Here is a network being built out for ARES use:

    www.winlink.org
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  • From Charles Brabham@n5pvl@sbcglobal.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Tue Aug 23 02:07:08 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet


    "Steve Stone" <spfleck@citlink.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1d72fce9d0add1eb9896bb@news.citlink.net...

    Here is a network being built out for ARES use:

    www.winlink.org


    The WinLink stuff is bogus. The less said about it, the better.


    Charles Brabham, N5PVL

    Director: USPacket http://www.uspacket.org
    Admin: HamBlog.Com http://www.hamblog.com
    ---------- HamPoll.Com http://www.hampoll.com
    ---------- DigiBlog http://www.uspacket.org/digiblog/


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  • From Newby@nobody@nowhere.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Tue Aug 23 05:34:15 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet


    "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:gxvOe.1328$L77.1048@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...

    "Steve Stone" <spfleck@citlink.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1d72fce9d0add1eb9896bb@news.citlink.net...

    Here is a network being built out for ARES use:

    www.winlink.org


    The WinLink stuff is bogus. The less said about it, the better.


    Charles Brabham, N5PVL

    [snipped]

    Charles,

    Please explain your comment regarding "The WinLink stuff is bogus."

    Thanks.







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  • From Hank Oredson@horedson@earthlink.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Tue Aug 23 15:29:51 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:gxvOe.1328$L77.1048@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...

    "Steve Stone" <spfleck@citlink.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1d72fce9d0add1eb9896bb@news.citlink.net...

    Here is a network being built out for ARES use:

    www.winlink.org


    The WinLink stuff is bogus. The less said about it, the better.


    Indeed. The ARES folks here have chosen to go the packet
    plus pactor route and avoid the internet based solution.

    Seems like if the internet is working, ham radio networking
    is not needed, but if the internet is down, then the ham radio
    network can serve the same functions.
    --

    ... Hank

    http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson
    http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli


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  • From Hank Oredson@horedson@earthlink.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Wed Aug 24 01:40:21 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    "Newby" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:1124836046_2791@spool6-east.superfeed.net...

    "Charles Brabham" <n5pvl@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:gxvOe.1328$L77.1048@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...

    "Steve Stone" <spfleck@citlink.net> wrote in message
    news:MPG.1d72fce9d0add1eb9896bb@news.citlink.net...

    Here is a network being built out for ARES use:

    www.winlink.org


    The WinLink stuff is bogus. The less said about it, the better.


    Charles Brabham, N5PVL

    [snipped]

    Charles,

    Please explain your comment regarding "The WinLink stuff is bogus."


    Did you read the web site?
    --

    ... Hank

    http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson
    http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli


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  • From SuppressedPen@nethawg1@verizon.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Wed Aug 24 03:38:21 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    Jerry,

    Thanks for the good info, I sent you two email responses, not sure if they
    got nuked by your spamblaster.

    I would also like to thank everyone else that responded.

    I tried winlink when it first came out, I believe it is a pactor based
    system. I sent myself a couple emails over the radio and quit playing with
    it.

    Doug KB9 MIC




    Jerry wrote:

    Hi Doug,
    Th networks cracked, but not broken... Some of us are helping heal the crack... I would be lying if I said that were an easy task...
    Here in Mitchell IN we have 2 very active BBSs W9OTR and N9LYA..
    Neither were active in the 80's or 90's...
    We are a part of a larger national network (HF).. As well as a local Network.. (VHF/UHF)...
    Wher eyou are located there may be no activity... If I knew your call sign I could tell you more...

    Look at our sites...
    www.uspacket.org
    www.w9otr.org
    www.n9lya.com

    I was a member of the Michigan Packet net news group.. They are quite active... Ill is on the come back...

    See our maps...

    WVARA Terre Haute is a new node for us ..

    A new node is going up in Indianapolis the first week of September...

    You would be most welcome to work with us.. If you can do HF I can show
    you how to do packet without breaking the bank...
    I run 5 HF ports here at home along with 4 VHF and 2 UHF port.


    Yes some of the original Networks.. like the GL Net (greatlakes) is
    broken
    as well as the lower Indiana 9600 baud Packet backbone... But Traffic
    still flows and flows well.


    A lot of States still have very active packet Networks...

    Florida, WI, TX, etc....


    73 Jerry N9LYA
    Net Manager Indiana Section
    ARRL Skipnet Manager NET40E NET147E
    MSYS Sysop of W9OTR/N9LYA/K9BBS/W9BBS



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "SuppressedPen" <nethawg1@verizon.net>
    Newsgroups: alt.ham-radio.packet
    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:47 PM
    Subject: does packet messaging still live?


    I'm in the tri-state area of Michigan, Indiana and Illinois. I would
    like
    to use packet to make conversational contacts occasionally. I sent out
    emails to about 25 hams that were registered nodes of a packet network in
    the 80's and 90's, none bounced, one was returned saying the network
    broke
    up. Anyone got any ideas? *DOUG*



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  • From zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net (ZZZZPK ) to alt.ham-radio.packet on Sat Aug 27 23:36:56 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:

    : is not needed, but if the internet is down, then the ham radio

    but but but... the original point of "the net" was to be able to
    take a hit and not go down :-)



    (( irl.euro.earth !!! ha ha ha ha ha ))


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  • From Hank Oredson@horedson@earthlink.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Sun Aug 28 00:47:56 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    "ZZZZPK " <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net>
    wrote in message news:4310f508.4422332@news.iol.ie...
    "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:

    : is not needed, but if the internet is down, then the ham radio

    but but but... the original point of "the net" was to be able to
    take a hit and not go down :-)

    Sure.
    What is your point, and your callsign?
    Oh, never mind ...



    (( irl.euro.earth !!! ha ha ha ha ha ))
    --

    ... Hank

    http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson
    http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli


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  • From Hank Oredson@horedson@earthlink.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Mon Aug 29 22:15:24 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    "ZZZZPK " <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net>
    wrote in message news:4313cea8.17765417@news.iol.ie...
    "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:

    : "ZZZZPK "
    : <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net>
    : wrote in message news:4310f508.4422332@news.iol.ie...
    : > "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:
    : >
    : > : is not needed, but if the internet is down, then the ham radio
    : >
    : > but but but... the original point of "the net" was to be able to
    : > take a hit and not go down :-)
    :
    : Sure.
    : What is your point, and your callsign?
    point being: the net is fault tolerant (allegedly) an as such your
    comment about the net "being down" wont happen.
    unless the basis for its invention was never that in the first place ?

    I guess you don't understand the concept of "emergency".

    You know, when the wires are down, the dish has blown over,
    etc. etc. No internet connectivity, kinda like what is happening
    right now in LA and MS.

    callsign ?
    i dont need one on the internet.

    Coward.

    : Oh, never mind ...
    thats right Hank.

    Callsigns are for radio.
    If I remember rightly you were one who used to criticise amateurs
    who relayed via internet.
    (correct me if i wrong)


    : >
    : > (( irl.euro.earth !!! ha ha ha ha ha ))
    the above was an argument put forward by those who supported the 4 letter continent address identifier and by doing so added two characters to every line of every mail header on the system.

    an argument to generate hidden and mostly useless extra traffic.


    i wonder if things have changed ?

    From your comments it is clear little has changed.
    --

    ... Hank

    http://home.earthlink.net/~horedson
    http://home.earthlink.net/~w0rli


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  • From Roger Conroy@rogerconroy@nospam.hotmail.com to alt.ham-radio.packet on Tue Aug 30 00:24:34 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet


    "ZZZZPK " <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net>
    wrote in message news:4310f508.4422332@news.iol.ie...
    "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:

    : is not needed, but if the internet is down, then the ham radio

    but but but... the original point of "the net" was to be able to
    take a hit and not go down :-)



    (( irl.euro.earth !!! ha ha ha ha ha ))


    As I understand it, the damage tolerance designed into the internet refers
    to the fact that the loss of a particular node or communication "line" does
    not affect the ability of other nodes to continue communicating (multiple redundant paths between any two nodes) However that does not help those
    users who are dependent for their access on the lost node. Ask the users who were dependent on servers located in the WTC on 9/11.

    The Internet exists on a (mostly) fixed telecoms infrastructure: Old
    fashioned copper lines, optical cables, microwave relay towers, satellite
    earth stations, etc. All of those are subject to failure. In addition all
    are dependent on a funtioning power supply. (Battery backup lasts only so long). The internet disapeared rather abruptly from the areas hit by the tsunami last year.

    A simpler analogy can be drawn using the traditional telephone system. If an exchange
    in for example Los Angeles is destroyed it does not affect anyone phoning between Chicago and New York. But those people locally connected to the lost exchange can't even phone their immediate neighbors.

    All a ham needs is a radio, antenna tuner, a piece of wire and a power
    source - which can be anything from a small solar panel and battery,
    gasoline
    generator, a car with a working engine, or even just car batteries scavenged from the wrecks strewn all over the devastated landscape.

    73
    Roger ZR3RC




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  • From Jerry@n9lya@blueriver.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Mon Aug 29 18:34:38 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet


    Hi Doug Please resend ... My Spam Blocker may have gotten them..

    Write to and copy both..
    n9lya@blueriver.net and jkutche@lehighcement.com
    Recovering from lightening hit... But continuously had one or more HF and
    VHF bbs ports on air...!!! YEA Baby... Backup power and backup nodes all at
    one location.. Almost at 100% 1 week afetr lightening hit.. Was only down
    35% right after strike...

    Not bad for a multiport BBS

    73 Jerry n9lya
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "SuppressedPen" <nethawg1@verizon.net>
    Newsgroups: alt.ham-radio.packet
    Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:38 PM
    Subject: Re: does packet messaging still live?


    Jerry,

    Thanks for the good info, I sent you two email responses, not sure if they got nuked by your spamblaster.

    I would also like to thank everyone else that responded.

    I tried winlink when it first came out, I believe it is a pactor based system. I sent myself a couple emails over the radio and quit playing
    with
    it.

    Doug KB9 MIC




    Jerry wrote:

    Hi Doug,
    Th networks cracked, but not broken... Some of us are helping heal
    the
    crack... I would be lying if I said that were an easy task...
    Here in Mitchell IN we have 2 very active BBSs W9OTR and N9LYA..
    Neither were active in the 80's or 90's...
    We are a part of a larger national network (HF).. As well as a local
    Network.. (VHF/UHF)...
    Wher eyou are located there may be no activity... If I knew your
    call
    sign I could tell you more...

    Look at our sites...
    www.uspacket.org
    www.w9otr.org
    www.n9lya.com

    I was a member of the Michigan Packet net news group.. They are quite
    active... Ill is on the come back...

    See our maps...

    WVARA Terre Haute is a new node for us ..

    A new node is going up in Indianapolis the first week of September...

    You would be most welcome to work with us.. If you can do HF I can show
    you how to do packet without breaking the bank...
    I run 5 HF ports here at home along with 4 VHF and 2 UHF port.


    Yes some of the original Networks.. like the GL Net (greatlakes) is
    broken
    as well as the lower Indiana 9600 baud Packet backbone... But Traffic
    still flows and flows well.


    A lot of States still have very active packet Networks...

    Florida, WI, TX, etc....


    73 Jerry N9LYA
    Net Manager Indiana Section
    ARRL Skipnet Manager NET40E NET147E
    MSYS Sysop of W9OTR/N9LYA/K9BBS/W9BBS



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "SuppressedPen" <nethawg1@verizon.net>
    Newsgroups: alt.ham-radio.packet
    Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:47 PM
    Subject: does packet messaging still live?


    I'm in the tri-state area of Michigan, Indiana and Illinois. I would
    like
    to use packet to make conversational contacts occasionally. I sent out
    emails to about 25 hams that were registered nodes of a packet network
    in
    the 80's and 90's, none bounced, one was returned saying the network
    broke
    up. Anyone got any ideas? *DOUG*





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  • From Jerry@n9lya@blueriver.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Mon Aug 29 18:37:37 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    The internet will go down.. When it does.. you will be left out in the
    cold...
    Besides the entirety of the internet does not have to go down for you to be without communications...

    DUH..


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "ZZZZPK " <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net>
    Newsgroups: alt.ham-radio.packet
    Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:18 PM
    Subject: Re: does packet messaging still live?


    "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:

    : "ZZZZPK "
    : <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net>
    : wrote in message news:4310f508.4422332@news.iol.ie...
    : > "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:
    : >
    : > : is not needed, but if the internet is down, then the ham radio
    : >
    : > but but but... the original point of "the net" was to be able to
    : > take a hit and not go down :-)
    :
    : Sure.
    : What is your point, and your callsign?
    point being: the net is fault tolerant (allegedly) an as such your
    comment about the net "being down" wont happen.
    unless the basis for its invention was never that in the first place ?

    callsign ?
    i dont need one on the internet.

    : Oh, never mind ...
    thats right Hank.

    Callsigns are for radio.
    If I remember rightly you were one who used to criticise amateurs
    who relayed via internet.
    (correct me if i wrong)


    : >
    : > (( irl.euro.earth !!! ha ha ha ha ha ))
    the above was an argument put forward by those who supported the 4 letter continent address identifier and by doing so added two characters to every line of every mail header on the system.

    an argument to generate hidden and mostly useless extra traffic.


    i wonder if things have changed ?



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  • From Jerry@n9lya@blueriver.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Mon Aug 29 18:38:33 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    Yea right!!??!!

    The internet is not HAM RADIO...

    and HAM Radio is not the internet...

    But we are HAMS.. We Support RADIO....

    73 jerry n9lya


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "ZZZZPK " <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net>
    Newsgroups: alt.ham-radio.packet
    Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 6:36 PM
    Subject: Re: does packet messaging still live?


    "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:

    : is not needed, but if the internet is down, then the ham radio

    but but but... the original point of "the net" was to be able to
    take a hit and not go down :-)



    (( irl.euro.earth !!! ha ha ha ha ha ))




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  • From zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net (ZZZZPK ) to alt.ham-radio.packet on Tue Aug 30 03:18:08 2005
    From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.packet

    "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:

    : "ZZZZPK "
    : <zzzpk_pkearn_class_a@its-as-easy-as-they-say-multi_band_cb_is_here.eircom.es.it.net>
    : wrote in message news:4310f508.4422332@news.iol.ie...
    : > "Hank Oredson" <horedson@earthlink.net> wrote:
    : >
    : > : is not needed, but if the internet is down, then the ham radio
    : >
    : > but but but... the original point of "the net" was to be able to
    : > take a hit and not go down :-)
    :
    : Sure.
    : What is your point, and your callsign?
    point being: the net is fault tolerant (allegedly) an as such your
    comment about the net "being down" wont happen.
    unless the basis for its invention was never that in the first place ?

    callsign ?
    i dont need one on the internet.

    : Oh, never mind ...
    thats right Hank.

    Callsigns are for radio.
    If I remember rightly you were one who used to criticise amateurs
    who relayed via internet.
    (correct me if i wrong)


    : >
    : > (( irl.euro.earth !!! ha ha ha ha ha ))
    the above was an argument put forward by those who supported the 4 letter continent address identifier and by doing so added two characters to every
    line of every mail header on the system.

    an argument to generate hidden and mostly useless extra traffic.


    i wonder if things have changed ?

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