• Transceiver -- Car Radio interaction

    From mike@ki4fyy@yahoo.com to alt.ham-radio.packet on Sun Jun 12 14:25:31 2005
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    I have a problem with one of my vehicles supplied with an APRS system.
    It is a 10-year old minivan. The APRS radio system is a small 2meter
    (~4W) Johnson data radio driving a linear amp to about 25-30W, fed to a through-the-glass-mounted antenna on the rear side window. The APRS is
    done via a TinyTrak module and an OEM GPS board / magnetic mount
    antenna. The APRS system works fine, but it affects the car radio in an annoying way -- every time the APRS radio transmits, the car radio
    starts 'scanning' and jumps to a random station. This happens on both AM
    and FM. If I remove the linear amp from the system, the problem changes
    from 'all the time' to 'most of the time'.

    The system is powered by the car's cigar lighter, and all the APRS stuff
    has a common ground. Can anyone help me to figure out what is causing
    this and then how to eliminate it?
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  • From Frank@frank@jcbgfsdkjcbgfdk.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Sun Jun 12 22:21:19 2005
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    "mike" <ki4fyy@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:v6%qe.18752$mZ2.6322@fe07.lga...
    I have a problem with one of my vehicles supplied with an APRS system. It
    is a 10-year old minivan. The APRS radio system is a small 2meter (~4W) >Johnson data radio driving a linear amp to about 25-30W, fed to a >through-the-glass-mounted antenna on the rear side window. The APRS is done >via a TinyTrak module and an OEM GPS board / magnetic mount antenna. The >APRS system works fine, but it affects the car radio in an annoying way -- >every time the APRS radio transmits, the car radio starts 'scanning' and >jumps to a random station. This happens on both AM and FM. If I remove the >linear amp from the system, the problem changes from 'all the time' to
    'most of the time'.

    The system is powered by the car's cigar lighter, and all the APRS stuff
    has a common ground. Can anyone help me to figure out what is causing this and then how to eliminate it?

    Hello,

    I can't believe you don't realise that each time your radio transmits, the
    car radio front end is being desensitised. That's why it starts scanning. Either fit a proper aerial and move it away from the car radio aerial, or
    use a bit of common sense and fit a filter to the car radio aerial cable.
    How did you get a licence?


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  • From Buck@iam@this.site to alt.ham-radio.packet on Sun Jun 12 23:28:41 2005
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    On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:25:31 -0400, mike <ki4fyy@yahoo.com> wrote:

    I have a problem with one of my vehicles supplied with an APRS system.
    It is a 10-year old minivan. The APRS radio system is a small 2meter
    (~4W) Johnson data radio driving a linear amp to about 25-30W, fed to a >through-the-glass-mounted antenna on the rear side window. The APRS is
    done via a TinyTrak module and an OEM GPS board / magnetic mount
    antenna. The APRS system works fine, but it affects the car radio in an >annoying way -- every time the APRS radio transmits, the car radio
    starts 'scanning' and jumps to a random station. This happens on both AM
    and FM. If I remove the linear amp from the system, the problem changes
    from 'all the time' to 'most of the time'.

    The system is powered by the car's cigar lighter, and all the APRS stuff
    has a common ground. Can anyone help me to figure out what is causing
    this and then how to eliminate it?


    Mike,

    Consider the source and ignore the ignorance. Your question isn't
    stupid as someone might imply....

    Several things might be causing the problem. One is the receiver in
    the car is just too susceptible to rfi. The only solution there is a
    new radio.

    The first thing I would do is to find an HT radio and/or another ham
    with a mobile that can park near your car and transmit. If the
    problem still occurs, you may need to replace your car radio.

    If you don't bother it with radios that aren't integrated into the
    car, then try either running a separate set of power wires from the
    battery to the APRS radio/amp.

    If that doesn't work, get some toroids and wrap them with each of the
    wires from the rig including the power cord and antenna leads.

    If that doesn't work, then you may need to do so to the car stereo,
    not nearly as simple a task.

    You may consider getting a filter from an automotive store or Radio
    shack to connect to your power cord. That may also be a viable
    alternative.


    Don't forget to check where the antennas are as you would not want the
    two meter antenna next to the car-radio antenna. I suspect it is safe
    to assume you didn't buy a splitter to tie the car radio antenna to
    the ham rig so that should not be a problem.

    If the car radio is a cheap knock-off of an expensive, colorful, bells
    and whistles radio, it is quite possible that the radio didn't take
    into consideration that a transmitter might be installed in the same
    car and cannot handle the RF.

    Good luck, keep us posted.

    Buck
    N4PGW

    Buck
    --
    For what it's worth.
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  • From Jerry@n9lya@blueriver.net to alt.ham-radio.packet on Sun Jun 19 17:37:53 2005
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    Hello,

    I can't believe you don't realise that each time your >radio transmits, the >car radio front end is being desensitised. That's why it >starts scanning. >Either fit a proper aerial and move it away from the car >radio aerial, or >use a bit of common sense and fit a filter to the car >radio aerial cable. >How did you get a licence?

    Frank,
    We are suposed to be hams and help each other.
    Not act like we are better then anyone else..
    Same question could be asked os you...
    Go lay down awhile..

    73 jerry n9lya


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  • From mike@ki4fyy@yahoo.com to alt.ham-radio.packet on Wed Jul 6 12:37:11 2005
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    For anyone who's interested, I figured out what was causing the car
    radio to 'scan' whenever the APRS system transmitted. It had nothing to
    do with desensitizing the car radio's front end. This car radio has a
    set of rear-seat controls, which allow the kids to plug in earphones and adjust station and volume from the rear of the minivan. This rear-seat
    stuff is in very close proximity to the coax cable running toward the
    back roof for the 2m antenna. It appears that the APRS transmissions
    affected the car radio rear-seat control lines, achieving the same
    result as pressing the button to scan for stations. The problem was
    eliminated by switching off the rear-seat controls on the car radio. Now
    the APRS has no noticeable affect on the car radio's performance.


    mike wrote:
    I have a problem with one of my vehicles supplied with an APRS system.
    It is a 10-year old minivan. The APRS radio system is a small 2meter
    (~4W) Johnson data radio driving a linear amp to about 25-30W, fed to a through-the-glass-mounted antenna on the rear side window. The APRS is
    done via a TinyTrak module and an OEM GPS board / magnetic mount
    antenna. The APRS system works fine, but it affects the car radio in an annoying way -- every time the APRS radio transmits, the car radio
    starts 'scanning' and jumps to a random station. This happens on both AM
    and FM. If I remove the linear amp from the system, the problem changes
    from 'all the time' to 'most of the time'.

    The system is powered by the car's cigar lighter, and all the APRS stuff
    has a common ground. Can anyone help me to figure out what is causing
    this and then how to eliminate it?
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