• Proxmox Backup Server

    From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to All on Tue Jan 20 18:00:14 2026
    Hey all,

    You've probably already seen this mentioned before by at least one other person, but I thought I would just poke my œ0.02 over the line =)

    Today I installed Proxmox Backup Server in a VM on my hypervisor, and have just got it all set up to backup all my VM's from both my local hypervisor AND my remote one (using zerotier network to link them together).

    From the initial stages of set up and running a manual backup here and there things look to be working a treat, I've got the PBS server running two data stores, one for the local hypervisor and one for the remote, reason for that is that they're not "clustered" just two separate hv's, and therefore can have the same ID for vm's and/or containers, so I didn't want to get things mixed up and confused.

    The data stores are on my NAS which is running on a Pi with 2 USB raid arrays each at 8TB usable. It's probably gonna be slow as molasses especially pulling from the remote hv, but it's worth tinkering with anyway imho. If I had oodles of spare monies I would get one of those purpose made NAS's but ya know, we make the most of what we got =)

    I'll update tomorrow likely on how the first night's backup went, and if I am going to use it in favor of Bareos which has been my goto for years at this point.

    What do y'all use for backing up your precious VM's and containers etc? You do back them up, right? RIGHT?! ;)

    Laters champs!

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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Tue Jan 20 17:36:59 2026
    Today I installed Proxmox Backup Server in a VM on my hypervisor, and
    have just got it all set up to backup all my VM's from both my local hypervisor AND my remote one (using zerotier network to link them together).

    The data stores are on my NAS which is running on a Pi with 2 USB raid arrays each at 8TB usable.

    What do y'all use for backing up your precious VM's and containers etc? You do back them up, right? RIGHT?! ;)

    Nice - glad you jumped into PBS as I *really* love it for all my PVE CT/VMs *and* I used the CLI to setup other backups of physical disks. My PBS does all the PVE backups, AND backs up all my NAS shares. (Physical drives)

    I have a 16TB HDD that takes care of my CT/VMs, AND my one 'newBackupXTB' share - and I'm using my OLD 'Backup4TB' 'Backup6TB' and 'Beers4TB' HDDs that I *used* to have in a Raspberry Pi NAS, like yours. When I upgraded my main NAS to enterprise hardware, I was able to utilize those old drives to backup the the 'OLD' shares I mentioned - transferred their datas to the new NAS in shares of their same name, and PBS has been taking care of things ever since.

    I LOVE how backups only add/remove new data/newly erased data (I know this is called something, lol...) - and it hasn't had one hiccup since!

    WELL - a few times there have been a failed backup - but its usually on the PVE side; a VM will get a failed backup and put a lock on the VM that requires some interdiction; but nothing scary.

    I'll update tomorrow likely on how the first night's backup went, and if
    I am going to use it in favor of Bareos which has been my goto for years at this point.

    Cool - *IF* yer 8TB is done by then!! :P I finally had enough of 30-40Mb/s RPi-NAS speeds and got my 10GB NICs doing the legwork. :P



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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to paulie420 on Wed Jan 21 08:30:29 2026
    On 20 Jan 2026, paulie420 said the following...

    Nice - glad you jumped into PBS as I *really* love it for all my PVE CT/VMs *and* I used the CLI to setup other backups of physical disks. My PBS does all the PVE backups, AND backs up all my NAS shares. (Physical drives)

    I have a 16TB HDD that takes care of my CT/VMs, AND my one
    'newBackupXTB' share - and I'm using my OLD 'Backup4TB' 'Backup6TB' and 'Beers4TB' HDDs that I *used* to have in a Raspberry Pi NAS, like yours. When I upgraded my main NAS to enterprise hardware, I was able to
    utilize those old drives to backup the the 'OLD' shares I mentioned - transferred their datas to the new NAS in shares of their same name, and PBS has been taking care of things ever since.

    I LOVE how backups only add/remove new data/newly erased data (I know
    this is called something, lol...) - and it hasn't had one hiccup since!

    Yeah it actually seems pretty simple to use once you figure it out, it's not "intuitive" until you know, and then it just makes perfect sense how it works. Really liking how easy it is to set up the jobs, sort the garbage collection and pruning frequencies, etc.

    WELL - a few times there have been a failed backup - but its usually on the PVE side; a VM will get a failed backup and put a lock on the VM
    that requires some interdiction; but nothing scary.

    I haven't had a failed backup yet (obvs) but I did run a manual backup of a couple of vm's and cancel one to see what would happen and if I needed to do anything but it's all gravy.

    Cool - *IF* yer 8TB is done by then!! :P I finally had enough of
    30-40Mb/s RPi-NAS speeds and got my 10GB NICs doing the legwork. :P

    Well the local backups took less than 1 hour to complete, my Pi's nic interfaces are 1Gbps so I get approx 80-100MB/s writing to the RAID array which isn't too bad, the bottleneck I have discovered is backing up my remote Proxmox, I'm getting between 10-20MB/s lol, but that's really not an issue when I realised that my work hosted server is only on a 100Mbps link so it's gonna take a while for the backups to transfer to the NAS at home.

    I might make the remote backups run just once a week on a Sunday or something if the incrementals are going to take long too, currently they started at 02:00 and it's 08:30 and they're not even half way through lol.

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  • From deon@1337:2/101 to MeaTLoTioN on Wed Jan 21 22:12:23 2026
    Re: Proxmox Backup Server
    By: MeaTLoTioN to All on Tue Jan 20 2026 06:00 pm

    Howdy,

    What do y'all use for backing up your precious VM's and containers etc? You do back them up, right? RIGHT?! ;)

    So I've been using restic for years. I like it because its not (another) client/server, where you need to deploy clients and manage a(nother) server - its client only.

    That data that is backed up goes to S3 (there are other options) - so I have a minio server running on my NAS (that I use for other things - eg: gitea/clrghouz).

    Restic supports encrypted backups, de-duplication, compression, incremental forever and keeps storing data until you use the client to prune it (and the prune options are pretty good). I normally run a prune every few months.

    For my proxmox hosts, I've been using cronicle, which schedules the backups on each of the proxmox hosts (calling zvdump and piping the data into restic). For my DBs and docker, I call mysqldump or pg_dump and pipe the data into restic.

    cronicle sends me a mail when backup jobs fail...

    Its saved me a few times... :)


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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Wed Jan 21 17:59:46 2026
    Yeah it actually seems pretty simple to use once you figure it out, it's not "intuitive" until you know, and then it just makes perfect sense how it works. Really liking how easy it is to set up the jobs, sort the garbage collection and pruning frequencies, etc.

    I might make the remote backups run just once a week on a Sunday or something if the incrementals are going to take long too, currently they started at 02:00 and it's 08:30 and they're not even half way through
    lol.

    That sounds smart... I really implore you to checkout the NON-CT/VM backups, too. Those can easily be setup using 'proxmox-backup-client' on the PBS machine;

    proxmox-backup-client backup4TB root.pxar:/mnt/Backup4TB --repository root@pam.pbs.local:Backup4TB_hdd

    cron-friendly, add;
    export PBS_PASSWORD='password'

    etc etc. :P You'll figure all that out when you dig in; you normally teach ME.



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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to paulie420 on Thu Jan 22 07:55:28 2026
    On 21 Jan 2026, paulie420 said the following...

    I might make the remote backups run just once a week on a Sunday or something if the incrementals are going to take long too, currently t started at 02:00 and it's 08:30 and they're not even half way through lol.

    That sounds smart... I really implore you to checkout the NON-CT/VM backups, too. Those can easily be setup using 'proxmox-backup-client' on the PBS machine;

    After a couple days of running the backups on a daily/weekly/monthly schedule, the incrementals only take 1h 46m from my remote proxmox host, and the data used is next to nothing which is nice, seeing as it's incremental (if it had been daily fulls I'd be filling up my storage disk in no time flat lol).

    proxmox-backup-client backup4TB root.pxar:/mnt/Backup4TB --repository root@pam.pbs.local:Backup4TB_hdd

    cron-friendly, add;
    export PBS_PASSWORD='password'

    Oh this sounds good too, I do have a couple of VPS's I could back up with it for sure, maybe even my desktop computer lol.

    etc etc. :P You'll figure all that out when you dig in; you normally
    teach ME.

    Hahaha yeah but man we're all in this hobby together and we all know different things, I learn from you and anyone else who has knowledge that I don't yet. Thanks for sharing this, it will be a nice added bonus for sure.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1337:3/178 to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Jan 22 11:30:29 2026
    MeaTLoTioN wrote to All <=-

    What do y'all use for backing up your precious VM's and containers etc? You do back them up, right? RIGHT?! ;)

    I used PBS for a while, then lost the PVE server it was running on. :(
    I don't know if all of the metadata is stored in the backup, so if you
    restore the VM you'd just need to point it to the data store.

    The dedupe feature was great - since I'm backing up file areas that
    don't change often.

    I ended up going back to the built-in Proxmox backup, but I may move to
    setting up a rPi 4 as a PBS server, backing up to NFS and get a quorum
    in the process.



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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Jan 22 20:19:52 2026
    On 22 Jan 2026, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

    MeaTLoTioN wrote to All <=-

    What do y'all use for backing up your precious VM's and containers et You do back them up, right? RIGHT?! ;)

    I used PBS for a while, then lost the PVE server it was running on. :(
    I don't know if all of the metadata is stored in the backup, so if you
    restore the VM you'd just need to point it to the data store.

    The dedupe feature was great - since I'm backing up file areas that
    don't change often.

    I ended up going back to the built-in Proxmox backup, but I may move to
    setting up a rPi 4 as a PBS server, backing up to NFS and get a quorum
    in the process.

    An Pi can run pbs server? And be quorum for a cluster? interesting.
    I would love to have proxmox running on a cluster of pi's and didn't even think to try again - I tried a few years back before it was a thing, ended up trying esxi on the pi's which was ok, but I prefer proxmox.

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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to paulie420 on Thu Jan 22 22:06:35 2026
    On 22 Jan 2026, MeaTLoTioN said the following...

    On 21 Jan 2026, paulie420 said the following...

    I might make the remote backups run just once a week on a Sunday something if the incrementals are going to take long too, curren started at 02:00 and it's 08:30 and they're not even half way th lol.

    That sounds smart... I really implore you to checkout the NON-CT/VM backups, too. Those can easily be setup using 'proxmox-backup-client' the PBS machine;

    After a couple days of running the backups on a daily/weekly/monthly schedule, the incrementals only take 1h 46m from my remote proxmox host, and the data used is next to nothing which is nice, seeing as it's incremental (if it had been daily fulls I'd be filling up my storage
    disk in no time flat lol).

    proxmox-backup-client backup4TB root.pxar:/mnt/Backup4TB --repository root@pam.pbs.local:Backup4TB_hdd

    cron-friendly, add;
    export PBS_PASSWORD='password'

    Oh this sounds good too, I do have a couple of VPS's I could back up
    with it for sure, maybe even my desktop computer lol.

    etc etc. :P You'll figure all that out when you dig in; you normally teach ME.

    Hahaha yeah but man we're all in this hobby together and we all know different things, I learn from you and anyone else who has knowledge
    that I don't yet. Thanks for sharing this, it will be a nice added bonus for sure.

    Yeah I sussed it, wrote a script because of course I did and now all three of my VPSes are being backed up to my PBS server, I had to increase the vCPU count on the PBS server from 2 cores to 4 as 2 cores seemed a little close to the max, now it's comfortable at 60-70% utilisation - memory usage is next to nothing, I gave it 4GB ram and it's sat there backing up stuff using like approx 300MB ram lol.

    Yeah I think this proxmox backup server is going to be a real win, I will try some restores soon to get my head around the process there, but fingers crossed all will be fine.

    I shall also take a manual "normal" backup of the pbs vm so I have an easy restore path in case of catastrophe!

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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Jan 22 18:05:11 2026
    After a couple days of running the backups on a daily/weekly/monthly schedule, the incrementals only take 1h 46m from my remote proxmox host, and the data used is next to nothing which is nice, seeing as it's incremental (if it had been daily fulls I'd be filling up my storage
    disk in no time flat lol).

    Hahaha yeah but man we're all in this hobby together and we all know different things, I learn from you and anyone else who has knowledge
    that I don't yet. Thanks for sharing this, it will be a nice added bonus for sure.

    Yessir - I think you'll like it. From what you've learned already, can you touch on what pruning and taking out garbage is/does? I *think* I have mine setup to automatically do both, but I better make sure...

    I have tested backups, and even had to grab a file or 10 from backups - works the charm for me.



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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Jan 22 18:06:40 2026
    An Pi can run pbs server? And be quorum for a cluster? interesting.
    I would love to have proxmox running on a cluster of pi's and didn't
    even think to try again - I tried a few years back before it was a
    thing, ended up trying esxi on the pi's which was ok, but I prefer proxmox.

    I use a Raspberry Pi 4 for a PROXMOX quorum node; dunno about PBS, but PVE has an ARM build that works fairly well - I even run my main Pi-VPN VM that I get into my homelab thru on it... but not MUCH more.

    For a quorum, tho, it works a charm.



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  • From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Thu Jan 22 18:09:24 2026
    Yeah I sussed it, wrote a script because of course I did and now all
    three of my VPSes are being backed up to my PBS server, I had to
    increase the vCPU count on the PBS server from 2 cores to 4 as 2 cores seemed a little close to the max, now it's comfortable at 60-70% utilisation - memory usage is next to nothing, I gave it 4GB ram and
    it's sat there backing up stuff using like approx 300MB ram lol.

    I shall also take a manual "normal" backup of the pbs vm so I have an
    easy restore path in case of catastrophe!

    Nice - thats one thing I *didn't* do, tho; I run my PBS on actual hardware... just a hodge-podge older Dell tower that was from an ex-GF. Its too old to be anything useful; well, other than a decent PBS platform...

    I dunno if I'm backing up my PVE/PBS OSes. For PVE, I do backup the config FILES - which I could rebuild a node fairly easily using... but I think since I run a cluster those files are on the other 2 PVEs anyway; for PBS, I HOPE that the backups could just be imported into a new PBS install - heck, since yer running PBS as a VM, I guess you COULD use PBS to backup PBS - lol.



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  • From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101 to paulie420 on Fri Jan 23 10:51:13 2026
    On 22 Jan 2026, paulie420 said the following...

    I dunno if I'm backing up my PVE/PBS OSes. For PVE, I do backup the
    config FILES - which I could rebuild a node fairly easily using... but I think since I run a cluster those files are on the other 2 PVEs anyway; for PBS, I HOPE that the backups could just be imported into a new PBS install - heck, since yer running PBS as a VM, I guess you COULD use PBS to backup PBS - lol.

    IIRC when you do a backup of a VM, it will backup the disk data, and the config. If you restore one of the backups it will recreate the VM including all the config, so you don't actually need to back that up.

    Last week my hypervisor had a meltdown when I tried upgrading from PVE 8 to 9, so I just wiped it, and reinstalled PVE 9.3 from the ISO, redid my internal raids and then restored each vm from the backups, everything just worked. I think that's probably a better disaster recovery approach than trying to "fix" a broken hypervisor/vms imho.

    Just make sure you back up a full backup of each VM as a fail safe and store it else where =)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1337:3/178 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Jan 23 07:21:54 2026
    MeaTLoTioN wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    An Pi can run pbs server? And be quorum for a cluster? interesting.
    I would love to have proxmox running on a cluster of pi's and didn't
    even think to try again - I tried a few years back before it was a
    thing, ended up trying esxi on the pi's which was ok, but I prefer proxmox.

    It might be underpowered for a PBS server but could definitely provide
    a quorum. Sounds like it'd be OK for a homelab running PBS.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@1337:3/178 to paulie420 on Fri Jan 23 07:21:54 2026
    paulie420 wrote to MeaTLoTioN <=-

    That sounds smart... I really implore you to checkout the NON-CT/VM backups, too. Those can easily be setup using 'proxmox-backup-client'
    on the PBS machine;

    proxmox-backup-client backup4TB root.pxar:/mnt/Backup4TB --repository root@pam.pbs.local:Backup4TB_hdd

    cron-friendly, add;
    export PBS_PASSWORD='password'

    etc etc. :P You'll figure all that out when you dig in; you normally
    teach ME.

    That does sound good. I back up my desktop and my wife's desktop using
    the old Windows backup to secondary drives, but would be interesting to
    back up to my NAS and keep everything there. I've "only" got 7 TB on my
    NAS, with a little over 3 TB free. I'm thinking about loading it up then
    taking it to work and backing it up to the cloud over their dual gig connection. :)



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