• Message Base Question

    From Tom Moore@tom.moore@1:135/205.remove-yk3-this to All on Sat Jan 17 17:40:26 2026
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    Hi,
    Is there a way to get the message base to sort messages that come into an area in date format?
    When reading I see messages that are not always in date order.
    i suspect this is because of delays in messages getting distributed via qwk or ftn.
    Would this be a message reader function onr an index procedure inside the database?

    Thanks,
    Tom
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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-g4i-this to Tom Moore on Sat Jan 17 19:28:34 2026
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    To: Tom Moore
    Re: Message Base Question
    By: Tom Moore to All on Sat Jan 17 2026 05:40 pm

    Hi,
    Is there a way to get the message base to sort messages that come into an area in date format?
    When reading I see messages that are not always in date order.
    i suspect this is because of delays in messages getting distributed via qwk or ftn.
    Would this be a message reader function onr an index procedure inside the database?

    That'd be a message reader function, but likely pretty frustrating for users. The date/time stamps on messages aren't very accurate (especially considering different timezones). I don't think the results would be good.
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  • From Mortar@mortar@EOTLBBS.remove-m12-this to Digital Man on Sun Jan 18 15:52:52 2026
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    To: Digital Man
    Re: Message Base Question
    By: Digital Man to Tom Moore on Sat Jan 17 2026 19:28:34

    The date/time stamps on messages aren't very accurate (especially considering different timezones).

    Funny this comes up. I have my msg. pointers set to see msgs. for just the last six months. I was reading a bunch of msgs. yesterday and amongst the 2026 msgs. came several 2020 msgs, then back to the present. Weird.

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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-59j-this to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 17:07:44 2026
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    To: Mortar
    Re: Message Base Question
    By: Mortar to Digital Man on Sun Jan 18 2026 03:52 pm

    Re: Message Base Question
    By: Digital Man to Tom Moore on Sat Jan 17 2026 19:28:34

    The date/time stamps on messages aren't very accurate (especially considering different timezones).

    Funny this comes up. I have my msg. pointers set to see msgs. for just the last six months. I was reading a bunch of msgs. yesterday and amongst the 2026 msgs. came several 2020 msgs, then back to the present. Weird.

    Message pointers determine what message you'll see in a new-scan based on their *import* date/time, not the date/time they were supposedly written (which is the date/time shown in the message header to users). So, not weird really. Someone just dumped some old messages into a network, it happens a lot.
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  • From Mortar@mortar@EOTLBBS.remove-iwy-this to Digital Man on Sun Jan 18 19:21:13 2026
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    To: Digital Man
    Re: Message Base Question
    By: Digital Man to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 2026 17:07:44

    Message pointers determine what message you'll see in a new-scan based on their *import* date/time, not the date/time they were supposedly written (which is the date/time shown in the message header to users). So, not weird really. Someone just dumped some old messages into a network, it happens a lot.

    Well, since the user can't see the import date (or can they?), makes more sense (IMO) to have the pointers use the date written date, which is more meaningful to the user.

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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-scn-this to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 19:19:50 2026
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    To: Mortar
    Re: Good Pointers
    By: Mortar to Digital Man on Sun Jan 18 2026 07:21 pm

    Re: Message Base Question
    By: Digital Man to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 2026 17:07:44

    Message pointers determine what message you'll see in a new-scan based on their *import* date/time, not the date/time they were supposedly written (which is the date/time shown in the message header to users). So, not weird really. Someone just dumped some old messages into a network, it happens a lot.

    Well, since the user can't see the import date (or can they?), makes more sense (IMO) to have the pointers use the date written date, which is more meaningful to the user.

    Except that messages are imported or sorted by "written date".
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  • From Martin Kazmaier@martin.kazmaier@1:340/1101.remove-6d1-this to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 20:07:00 2026
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    To: Mortar

    Re: Message Base Question
    By: Digital Man to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 2026 17:07:44

    Message pointers determine what message you'll see in a new-scan based
    on
    their *import* date/time, not the date/time they were supposedly
    written
    (which is the date/time shown in the message header to users). So, not
    weird
    really. Someone just dumped some old messages into a network, it
    happens a
    lot.

    Well, since the user can't see the import date (or can they?), makes more sense (IMO) to have the pointers use the date written date, which is more meaningful to the user.

    I don't know how that would work, every message area would constantly have to be reindexed if that were the case...

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  • From Dumas Walker@dumas.walker@CAPCITY2.remove-126g-this to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Jan 19 10:16:37 2026
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    To: DIGITAL MAN
    Except that messages are imported or sorted by "written date".

    FWIW, sbbsecho seems to do a lot better job keeping messages in such an
    order where, when read in the order posted, a discussion can be followed vs. some other tossers/tosser-shims I have used in the past.

    I rarely notice ftn messages read in sequence seeming out of order here.
    Usenet groups are about the only place I might notice it, and I suspect
    that is something that happens before sbbsecho gets hold of the messages.


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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-r92-this to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 19 13:45:40 2026
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    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Good Pointers
    By: Dumas Walker to DIGITAL MAN on Mon Jan 19 2026 10:16 am

    Except that messages are imported or sorted by "written date".

    Of course I meant to write "messages are *not* imported or sorted by written date"

    FWIW, sbbsecho seems to do a lot better job keeping messages in such an order where, when read in the order posted, a discussion can be followed vs. some other tossers/tosser-shims I have used in the past.

    I'm not sure why that would be. Maybe other tossers don't unpack bundes in the day-of-week order? I seem to recall that much older versions of SBBSecho didn't .


    I rarely notice ftn messages read in sequence seeming out of order here. Usenet groups are about the only place I might notice it, and I suspect
    that is something that happens before sbbsecho gets hold of the messages.


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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-qe5-this to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 19 13:47:56 2026
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    To: Dumas Walker
    Re: Good Pointers
    By: Digital Man to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 19 2026 01:45 pm

    FWIW, sbbsecho seems to do a lot better job keeping messages in such an order where, when read in the order posted, a discussion can be followed vs. some other tossers/tosser-shims I have used in the past.

    I'm not sure why that would be. Maybe other tossers don't unpack bundes in the day-of-week order? I seem to recall that much older versions of SBBSecho didn't .

    Continuing ... (hit Ctrl-Z prematurely), looking now at SBBSecho, I see that it always start unpacking bundles from Sunday, then Monday, etc. It make more sense to start unpacking bundles starting with the *next* day of week to always unpack them in order. This matters most when there's multiple bundles from multiple days received all at once, which isn't a common occurrence, but possible.
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  • From Mortar@mortar@EOTLBBS.remove-79h-this to Digital Man on Tue Jan 20 12:28:51 2026
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    To: Digital Man
    Re: Good Pointers
    By: Digital Man to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 2026 19:19:50

    Except that messages are imported or sorted by "written date".

    If that were the case, then I shouldn't be seeing msgs. from 2020. This seems to be a contradiction to...

    Message pointers determine what message you'll see in a new-scan based
    on their *import* date/time, not the date/time they were supposedly
    written (which is the date/time shown in the message header to users).

    In any case how they're imported is irrelevent from a users' perspective. It's how it can be manipulated once there that's important.

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  • From Digital Man@digital.man@vert.synchro.net.remove-11kl-this to Mortar on Tue Jan 20 16:09:09 2026
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    To: Mortar
    Re: Good Pointers
    By: Mortar to Digital Man on Tue Jan 20 2026 12:28 pm

    Re: Good Pointers
    By: Digital Man to Mortar on Sun Jan 18 2026 19:19:50

    Except that messages are imported or sorted by "written date".

    If that were the case, then I shouldn't be seeing msgs. from 2020. This seems to be a contradiction to...

    Right, that was a typo: I left out the word "not". It's a bad habit.
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